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Offline BrandinhoGaucho

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Taxes (2010)
« on: February 13, 2011, 11:40:35 PM »
Hey all,

Does anybody know what to do about taxes? If so, where and what do we report? I know we don't get pay stubs, but I do know that taxes are taken out. It would be nice to see that money...

Thanks!


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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 11:45:41 PM »
Hey all,

Does anybody know what to do about taxes? If so, where and what do we report? I know we don't get pay stubs, but I do know that taxes are taken out. It would be nice to see that money...

Thanks!

It's "beca" or scholarship income and thus is not taxed in Spain.
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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 11:46:12 PM »
...forgot this part...

Anybody know what to do about tuition if you go to school here as well? I'm full time in the UCM (Complutense) and am having a hard time finding any legitimate advice from anyone (IRS, Online Taxes, Federal Student Aid, etc).

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 11:58:23 PM »
I'm a bit confused. Are you talking about filing in the US or in Spain?
If you're talking about the US, you might be able to get better information directly from the source at the IRS Office in Paris or London. Both have phone service which might be worth giving a try.

Contact numbers and addresses are available here:
http://www.irs.gov/localcontacts/article/0,,id=101292,00.html

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 01:25:20 AM »
It's "beca" or scholarship income and thus is not taxed.

If you don't have to pay taxes on the scholarship income in the US, do you still need to report this income at tax time? If so, is there a specific form to use and documentation to send in, like the contract?

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 07:52:18 PM »
US citizens abroad do NOT need to pay taxes on any income earned BELOW $91,400 in one calendar year.
But it is advisable to file a return for each year, even if your taxable income falls below the minimum amount required for filing in order to cause the statute of limitations to run out.

What this means (statute of limitations)- in the future, when you go back to the US etc and start earning money normally and then filing again, the IRS has a right to go back and audit you and question you why you didn't file a return for a specific year. So if you DO file a return anyways (even though you earn foreign income less than $91,400), it's better to keep your tracks covered.

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=96817,00.html
http://www.escapeartist.com/efam5/expat_tax_2.html

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2011, 12:14:47 AM »
US citizens abroad do NOT need to pay taxes on any income earned BELOW $91,400 in one calendar year.
But it is advisable to file a return for each year, even if your taxable income falls below the minimum amount required for filing in order to cause the statute of limitations to run out.

What this means (statute of limitations)- in the future, when you go back to the US etc and start earning money normally and then filing again, the IRS has a right to go back and audit you and question you why you didn't file a return for a specific year. So if you DO file a return anyways (even though you earn foreign income less than $91,400), it's better to keep your tracks covered.

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=96817,00.html
http://www.escapeartist.com/efam5/expat_tax_2.html

That's great that a US citizen doesn't have to pay taxes if they earn less then $91,400 in a calendar year and they stay abroad for a minimum of  approximately 330 days. However, many of us do not stay in Spain for that amount of time. What if you came back to the states over the summer and worked and then went back for your 2nd year in Spain in the fall. That rule would not apply and were back to looking for the answer to the question of whether or not we pay any taxes on the grant earned in Spain and/or do we even have to report it?. Also would like to see the tax info on that.

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 06:27:19 PM »
That's great that a US citizen doesn't have to pay taxes if they earn less then $91,400 in a calendar year and they stay abroad for a minimum of  approximately 330 days. However, many of us do not stay in Spain for that amount of time. What if you came back to the states over the summer and worked and then went back for your 2nd year in Spain in the fall. That rule would not apply and were back to looking for the answer to the question of whether or not we pay any taxes on the grant earned in Spain and/or do we even have to report it?. Also would like to see the tax info on that.

Personally, I've always reported it as foreign earned income. Why? The guy who does my taxes back home advised me to do so, but even he doesn't have a clear answer. Better safe than sorry in my mind. It's not that much money in the end.

If you want the PROPER answer, give the French IRS office a call. The contact info is in my reply above.

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2011, 02:37:28 PM »
Here's the response I got from the IRS (they copied & pasted my questions):


Your Question Was:
1) I am a North American Language and Culture Assistant in Spain and earn a monthly stipend of 1000€ per month. I don't know if this is taxable income, as it is a grant through Spain s Ministerio de Educación.

 2) I am a full-time grad student at the Universidad Complutense de Madrid and I paid my tuition out of pocket in 2010. Is this deductible?


The Answer To Your Question Is:
Thank you for your inquiry regarding whether your stipend is taxable income and
whether your tuition expense is deductible.  I apologize for the delay in responding to your question.  My response assumes that your inquiry is regarding the current tax year 2010 and that you are either a U.S. Citizen or Resident Alien.

A stipend is defined as a fixed sum of money paid periodically for services or to defray expenses. The fact that remuneration is termed a “fee” or “stipend” rather than salary or wages is immaterial. Grants given to students, trainees, or researchers which require the performance of personal services as a necessary condition for disbursing the grant do not qualify as scholarship or fellowship grants. Instead, they are compensation for personal services considered to be wages. It does not matter what term is used to describe the grant (for example, stipend, scholarship, fellowship, etc.). You must report the amount of your stipend earned as taxable income on your U.S. Income Tax Return.

You may be able to deduct qualified education expenses paid during the year. For purposes of the tuition and fees deduction, qualified education expenses are tuition and certain related expenses required for enrollment or attendance at an eligible educational institution. Student-activity fees and expenses for course-related books, supplies, and equipment are included in qualified education expenses only if the fees and expenses must be paid to the institution as a condition of enrollment or attendance.

An eligible educational institution is any college, university, vocational school, or other postsecondary educational institution eligible to participate in a student aid program administered by the U.S. Department of Education. It includes virtually all accredited public, nonprofit, and proprietary (privately owned profit-making) postsecondary institutions. Certain educational institutions located outside the United States also participate in the U.S. Department of Education's Federal Student Aid (FSA) programs. The educational institution should be able to tell you if it is an eligible educational institution.

Generally, you can claim the tuition and fees deduction if all three of the following requirements are met: you pay qualified education expenses of higher education,
you pay the education expenses for an eligible student and the eligible student is yourself, your spouse, or your dependent for whom you claim an exemption on your tax return.


You cannot claim this deduction if your filing status is married filing separately or if another person can claim an exemption for you as a dependent on his or her tax return. The qualified expenses must be for higher education.  You are not eligible to claim the Tuition and Fees deduction if your Modified Adjusted Gross Income is $80,000.00 or more ($160,000 if filing a joint return).




The tuition and fees deduction can reduce the amount of your income subject to tax by up to $4,000 for tax year 2010.  This deduction, reported on Form 8917, Tuition and Fees Deduction, is taken as an adjustment to income. This means you can claim this deduction even if you do not itemize deductions on Schedule A, (Form 1040) Itemized Deductions. This deduction may be beneficial to you if, for example, you cannot take the lifetime learning credit because your income is too high.

You may be able to take the Lifetime Learning Credit for your education expenses instead of a tuition and fees deduction. You can choose the one that will give you the lower tax.  Please refer to Publication 970, Tax Benefits for Education, for more information on the Lifetime Learning Credit and the Tuition and Fees Deduction.

The information provided is from the Publication 17, Your Federal Income Tax and the Publication 970, Tax Benefits for Education.  Forms and Publications are available on our website @ www.irs.gov.

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2011, 03:13:24 PM »
Here's the response I got from the IRS (they copied & pasted my questions):

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Thank you for using this service.

You're awesome. Thanks so much for posting this!!! (Even though it's not the answer I wanted to hear from the IRS ;) )

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2011, 10:14:56 PM »
I've heard a lot of different answers since I was last on here. The most recent one was on behalf of the program from an office in Washington DC and here's what they said:

"Disculpa la tardanza en contestar. Normalmente las becas, como la de este programa, no se declaran."

Thoughts?

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2011, 11:26:31 PM »
"No se declaran.." Where!? I'm willing to bet a guess they're referring to the Spanish tax system.

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Re: Taxes (2010)
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2011, 06:27:22 PM »
I've heard a lot of different answers since I was last on here. The most recent one was on behalf of the program from an office in Washington DC and here's what they said:

"Disculpa la tardanza en contestar. Normalmente las becas, como la de este programa, no se declaran."

Thoughts?

I'm going to talk with someone who does taxes about "Grants to Individuals" on the IRS website to see if the pay can  be considered a grant and not taxed at all.