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Offline Gogeter

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Hi all, would some kind post Teflers, teachers & expats living & teaching English in Mexico, Spain or Central America

be kind enough to help me make some vital decisions re. my future.
 My age (I imagine) tell me if you think I'm wrong or right means I must be more careful (than say 20 or 30 somethings) about the choices I make re. which Tefl course will give  me the certification employers are particularly looking for & will make me, (considering my more mature age) more attractive to potential employers. What are the chances of me being offered a position when there are so many younger applicants? Does anyone know any reason why I should or should not pursue the Tefl path, please be honest & share your experiences, ideas & thoughts so that I  can make a more informed decision regarding my choices.
Im a mature woman & I'm finaly free to live my dream of making my hobby, teaching English to foreign nationals/friends living in Ireland  my career  & also  fullfilling my desire to relocate to a Spanish speaking country, preferably Mexico or Spain with my husband. Its my turn to keep him. I  taught basic English in a voluntary capacity & we all had lots of fun, I love passing on knowledge & would love to do this for a living.  My problems  are I dont know which course to do or if  my age will go against me in the teaching jobs market. I do not have Degree I do however have a Licentiate in Homoeopathic Medicine & ran my own practice for some years. What do you folks think. I would really appreciate any information you volunteer. Oh & I am concerned about the intensity of a 4 week, 9 hour day course + home study in the evening, how did you manage? Thanks Thats all Folks.
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Just do it! Folow your heat and your dream and no, you're not too old in my opinion.  There are plenty of places that are looking for "mature" teachers because they are finding that some of the the younger ones have nothing to talk about and can't really manage a class.  So, in the end, find a TEFL course that suits your needs and do it.   Life is about being happy and living it out to the fullest.

Suerte,

Shawn

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Thanks a mill Shawn for the encouragement. Have read a few of your blogs over the past few visits & you come accross as most sincere.
I had all but finally decided to enrolling with vialingua Mexico & just got in touch with a spanish school I'd been in touch with to let them know that I was now going to do Tefl in Mexico. The reply I got has me that confused now that I'm back to the drawing board.
The lady wanted to know why I would want to learn spanish in Mexico (which I planned to do alongside a Tefl)as the spanish spoken in Spain is "Madre" & is very different to what they speak in Spain & if I ever plan to work in Spain they would know I'd learned my spanish in Mexico. Also that the schools prefered  teachers that got work with them to have learned their spanish in the same country  they were teaching in .
Well needless to say this added a new dimension to all my concerns re. which Tefl course, which country to do the course in etc. 
Nowhere have I read anything pertaining to which countries spanish is more desirable than another. It had taken me weeks to trawl through the vast array of websites & whittle them down & differentiate between them, but now what do I do? I fancied Mexico as it seemed like a good place for me to find work, the course seemed well run & one I felt would suit my needs. I also liked the less hectic lifestyle one could find in smaller towns & it boasts of wellcoming locals & the price suited my pocket.  ??? So Shawn thanks again for taking the time & being my numero uno reply to date. I'm taking on board what you said & going for it. The question now is ...........WHERE ....................&.................WHICH COUNTRIES SPANISH IS MORE DESIRABLE TO POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS?  Just when I thought I had it all sussed.
Gogetter Ireland ???

Are there any teachers, employers, willing to say something on this subject as I need to book flights soon before they get more expensive.

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Thanks a mill Shawn for the encouragement. Have read a few of your blogs over the past few visits & you come accross as most sincere.
I had all but finally decided to enrolling with vialingua Mexico & just got in touch with a spanish school I'd been in touch with to let them know that I was now going to do Tefl in Mexico. The reply I got has me that confused now that I'm back to the drawing board.
The lady wanted to know why I would want to learn spanish in Mexico (which I planned to do alongside a Tefl)as the spanish spoken in Spain is "Madre" & is very different to what they speak in Spain & if I ever plan to work in Spain they would know I'd learned my spanish in Mexico. Also that the schools prefered  teachers that got work with them to have learned their spanish in the same country  they were teaching in .
Well needless to say this added a new dimension to all my concerns re. which Tefl course, which country to do the course in etc. 
Nowhere have I read anything pertaining to which countries spanish is more desirable than another. It had taken me weeks to trawl through the vast array of websites & whittle them down & differentiate between them, but now what do I do? I fancied Mexico as it seemed like a good place for me to find work, the course seemed well run & one I felt would suit my needs. I also liked the less hectic lifestyle one could find in smaller towns & it boasts of wellcoming locals & the price suited my pocket.  ??? So Shawn thanks again for taking the time & being my numero uno reply to date. I'm taking on board what you said & going for it. The question now is ...........WHERE ....................&.................WHICH COUNTRIES SPANISH IS MORE DESIRABLE TO POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS?  Just when I thought I had it all sussed.
Gogetter Ireland ???

Are there any teachers, employers, willing to say something on this subject as I need to book flights soon before they get more expensive.

Oh my gosh, I can't believe that person actually had the huevos to say that!!!!

Look, it's like telling me that my English isn't correct because I'm from the United States and that the language originated across the Atlantic. (Which I HAVE been told here in Spain, I'll admit.)

What you need to do is enjoy your life, go where you want, and take into account that by going to Mexico you're getting a good solid base of Spanish!

Is the Spanish spoken in Mexico different? Yes. However, you're learning to communicate in Spanish and that once you get here you'll already have the base to learn the local slang and/or vocabulary. Instead of the Mexican "Que Padre," it'll be "Que Guay." You learn quickly, I promise.

I will admit that I'm neither an employer nor an official academy employee, I'm only a language assistant working here with the auxiliares de conversacion program. However, I simply cannot believe that anyone worth working for would tell you that you shouldn't go to Mexico!!!!!




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Thanks Dear Language Assistant,
 for taking time to share your thoughts & experience with me.
 Its people like you WHO ARE ACTUALLY WORKING AT WHAT I WANT TO DO that I wanted to hear from as well as teachers, employers etc.  Where did you learn your spanish you seem to have a good grip of the Mexican & the Spanish  way of speaking

Who knows the lady in question may have been the owner of the Tefl School & not just an employee & may have been miffed or I could say Put out depending on where I come from ( ITS THIS KIND OF THING YOUR REFERING TO)  am I right?
 I'm presuming you work in a school, have you ever heard that employers seek  teachers who has studied the language in a particular country?
I FEEL BETTER ALREADY thankyou so much.

Gogeter :)

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Thanks Dear Language Assistant,
 for taking time to share your thoughts & experience with me.
 Its people like you WHO ARE ACTUALLY WORKING AT WHAT I WANT TO DO that I wanted to hear from as well as teachers, employers etc.  Where did you learn your spanish you seem to have a good grip of the Mexican & the Spanish  way of speaking

Who knows the lady in question may have been the owner of the Tefl School & not just an employee & may have been miffed or I could say Put out depending on where I come from ( ITS THIS KIND OF THING YOUR REFERING TO)  am I right?
 I'm presuming you work in a school, have you ever heard that employers seek  teachers who has studied the language in a particular country?
I FEEL BETTER ALREADY thankyou so much.

Gogeter :)

Hi there Gogeter,

I majored in Spanish at a Canadian university. My professors were from Chile and Argentina. I also spent six weeks in Mexico learning Spanish, which I would say is where I learned the bulk of my practical Spanish before coming to Spain. For this reason I jumped to defend going to Mexico to learn Spanish.

I adore Mexico, and really miss the country and my friends there. I hope you enjoy your time there as much as I did! What city will you be going to?

I work in a public school, and was given my position as part of the Language Assistants program that the government runs. Since the government runs it, nobody can say anything about the "quality" of my Spanish.

People in the street gave me a hard time for not speaking Spanish-from-Spain, but that's just joking around.

I don't really understand what you mean when you say: " may have been miffed or I could say Put out depending on where I come from ( ITS THIS KIND OF THING YOUR REFERING TO)  am I right?"

Anyhow, please don't worry about what "type" of Spanish you learn. What the Spanish woman said is like telling a Spanish student that they can't go to Canada to learn English because it's not "REAL" English - which we both know is a big lie!

Take care!

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Thankyou my mind is definitly at rest now knowing you are working with that government program. I planned on studying in Cuidad Guzman with Vialingua. I think I will go back to my Mexico plan thanks again. Appreciate your posting.

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Remember to never let anyone throw you off your path to your dream.  Stay on track and know tat everything that happens to you in life is taking you one step closer to what you want in life.

Shawn

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Hi Gogeter,

I have read your post with great interest and amusement. I don't often post only because I am so busy making the behind-the-scenes work here at the Café. However, I just have to join in on the fray here.

First, Shawn has offered you some sound advice. The first thing you need to do is to follow your heart. Halydia has also given excellent perspective.

Regarding the "variety of Spanish" you speak...it doesn't really matter since your job will be to teach English, NOT Spanish. I know plenty of English teachers who barely speak Spanish here in Madrid. So the mere fact that you want to learn ANY Spanish is admirable.

Who cares if the Spanish is Mexico is different from that of Spain? Most of it is just pronunciation/intonation and some vocabulary. It's not like they wouldn't understand you here. Besides, it's not like you will be speaking perfect "Mexican Spanish". You will have an accent. Don't sweat it.

Now, to address your greater question of being a mature female. Shawn is right own when he mentions that the older teachers are highly valued. The younger teachers are fine for some classes, but many of the business English classes will require someone who has had a bit more life experience and knows how to manage themselves in front of high level executives. That skill can only be obtained through professional life experience.

However, I’d like to be the counterweight here and play the devil’s advocate. It sounds like you are looking for stability. It is very rare that an academy will offer you a contrato fijo (permanent contract) outright. In fact, most academies work with contratos por obra y servicio (hours worked, hours paid) or contratos por prestación de servicios (where you are a freelance teacher offering your professional teaching services as a third party provider). The teaching English sector in Spain is an unstable sector to work in unless you have significant experience that may interest a school or university to employ you full time. Many academies and consulting agencies have gone out of business over the past couple of years due to the economic crisis that is currently thrashing Spain.

Adding insult to injury, Spanish law allows businesses to pay 90 days after billing. So, if you are working as a freelance teacher and work directly for a company teaching English, the company may take as long as 3 months to pay you. This is also a difficult situation for many academies since few of them have the capital necessary to float/pay a team of teachers for three months while they are waiting to get paid from the client. It’s a tough situation all the way around.

Added to that, the unemployment here is high…at 20% if not higher. So, private classes are drying up and those that do exist are being competed for by the overabundance of English teachers already here.

I don’t want to dishearten you, but I do think you need to have a balanced view of what is really happening here now. Shawn is in a great position because he has been here for years, has built up a reputation and a solid client base. Halydia is also in a good position because she is here working in a public school and because of her visa status, can work legally for academies pushing the “illegal” teachers (those without the proper work/student visa) to depend solely on private classes to get by. For those making the move to come over now, the situation is a bit different and perhaps much more challenging.

If you are one who believes firmly in your dreams and knows how to make opportunities (not just expect them to happen) you will be fine wherever you end up…as long as you know what to expect.

Good luck with your decision!!

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Well R.

Yours is the voice of reason, honesty & down to earth Practiccality I hoped to get in a reply. I really appreciated the replies so far & found them encouraging, but there was little in the way of information with the encouragment. However I do have to make a living & thats not just a dream thats the reality if I hope to live in Spain which has been a dream for many years now. The practical advice is more important than anything else to me, at least I will not be moving forward with rose coloured glasses.
I'm Irish so that means I will be legal plus I do have an NIE number as I lived for 6 mths in the Canariy Islands. However I have mislaid the origilnal cert & only have a photo copy. Im hoping the Ayuntamiento will be willing to sort that one out for me & that it wont be too difficult.
Do You mean it could be a little easier for  to someone to  find regular paying work? if they are European thus legal? Can you say a little more on that one for me. Would it be more advantageous for me to do the buisness Tefl course as opposed to the teaching englilslh to young children? Your opinion would be valued on this one. 
Its hard enough here to find work & without a profession even harder which is why I'm attempting to make myself more employable. At least I will be going in with my eyes wide open. I'm a highly motivated person & there is an old saying "DREAMS COME TRUE IF YOU WANT THEM TO, IF YOU WANT THEM TO THEN ITS UP TO YOU.
Thanks again R. Hope I hear from You again. Will let you know how it all pan's out in the long-term.
Hasta Luego
Gogeter

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Hello Gogeter!

Sorry for my delay in responding.

Regarding what type of training to get, I think that is something you have to ask yourself. What do you feel more comfortable teaching, adults or children? Completely different skill sets and approaches are needed for teaching each group. Even with children, depending on the age of the children you would go about "teaching" them differently.

As for what the market is demanding, we have two situations going on here:

1) A more mature adult market who never studied English in school (think 45 yrs. +). Back when they were in school, the language that was pushed in the school system was French. So, these are adults who are clearly recognizing a need for English if they wish to keep their jobs or advance in their profession, but have a very very low, if not null level of English.

2) An elementary school market. The community of Madrid has been busy pushing a public bilingual education (Spanish/English) at the elementary school level. The first public bilingual schools started in 2004 and more schools are being converted to bilingual schools at the rate of 10-12 per year. Those children (from 2004) are just entering secondary school now. Different from children who have been sent to private bilingual or English monolingual schools, the children coming from the public school system generally (and note, that is a big GENERALLY) have a lower economic level and the parents quite possibly have a lower educational level as well. What this means is opportunity for the right teacher who knows how to market themselves to this community. The children will need help and additional support getting through the English coursework (music, art, physical education and science are all taught in English at the public bilingual schools) and their parents most likely are not in a position to sit down and help them with their homework (due to the lack of language knowledge).

Many teachers say “what the heck, I will teach both” which is an admirable “do what necessary” attitude to have. But very few teachers are good at teaching both groups well.

So, I think that is something that you would need to decide for yourself.

Continue to ask your questions! That is what we are here for!

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two comments, one you don't need Spanish to teach English to adults and two you don't need Spanish to live here.

On the first, I've been teaching English for 4 years and the few times I need Spanish I look it up in Word Reference. If anything being a Spanish speaker can be a hindrance as the temptation to switch to Spanish is high.

The only exception to this is if you are a teacher in the public system as the kids are unlikely to understand you and you will spend half you lesson repeating in Spanish what you just taught in English. And possibly a beginner class where the students have had no exposure to English.

As to speaking Spanish living in Spain, it's helpful but not necessary, particularly if your British and live on the coast, any service or product you can think of is available in English! Personally I haven't really learned Spanish as I work in English all day and to be honest I'm older (turning 50 in a few days >:( ) and I've already learned one language German and have very little desire to learn another, I'm not gifted with languages and have many many friends who can help me out in a pinch.

One huge advantage to teaching English is you students can a huge source of information on living in Spain, when ever I have questions I simply ask them


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As to speaking Spanish living in Spain, it's helpful but not necessary, particularly if your British and live on the coast, any service or product you can think of is available in English!

Be careful with the generalization. Living up here on the northern coast, you've got to speak Spanish to live well. But what rob in madrid said about the coast (alicante, etc) is true. I found it shocking the amount of English spoken there!

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Yes it helps if you have loads of friends to translate for you ;D

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Hey  Gogeter

this blog post by Ramit Seth might be of interest

Travel Fulltime for less than 14 grand a year

http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/cheap-travel/

Sounds good except I'm tied down with a wife, dog and house ;D