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« on: September 13, 2005, 01:47:22 AM »
I am lucky enough to have moved here because of my Spanish girl friend. We are planning on getting married. Should we do it in the states or here? What is better?

And, is it true that you have to apply for a Spanish visa in the states?!

And, does my German visa apply here?

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2005, 08:48:29 AM »
Killmon,

Congratulations!  I got married in Spain, but I think the whole process of getting a marriage license is much easier in the US specially since you won't be living in the US.  In Spain it requires a lot more paperwork and time (it took us two months to get it in Madrid).  It's not a difficult process though, and if you have any specific questions about what you'll need to do I can try to help you out.

As far as the visa goes, anytime you need a Spanish visa you have to get it in your home country.  There's no way of getting the visa in Spain.  However,  you shouldn't need to get a visa.  They changed the law a year ago so that now once you get married to a spaniard you can apply for your identity card without having a visa.  Talk to the police station in your city first to make sure they know that you don't need a visa because when I tried to do it last year they wouldn't accept the application without a visa.  For me it was no big deal because I had already planned a visit to the US to get the visa--but you shouldn't have to get a visa anymore.  Good luck.

 

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2005, 12:02:49 PM »
Hi Killmon --

As Megan says, congratulations! To offer the other side of the coin, my Spanish husband and I got married in the States and moved here the day after our wedding (almost 5 years ago now). So, I did have to travel back to NYC to apply for my VISA de reagrupación familiar. I had no idea that they have since abolished that requirement.

If you have any questions regarding the process in the States, I will be more than happy to answer any question my memory can handle.  :)

Megan, nice to see you round these parts! How´s the university job going?

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2005, 05:04:26 PM »
Thanks for the info. So, it is probly easier to get married in the states. But how do I prove that we are married here. Can one of you maybe make a list of the process like:

-Wake up in the morning
-Get married
-get marrage cert
-Fly to spain
-go to Zapatero's house
-show marrage cert
-Zapatero says you are now Mediterranean
-I am happy and Tan easier!

 :huh:  

I guess in principle it seems like it should be simple however I have no idea what to do or where to go...
 :unsure:
Just simple bullet points would help me. All I need is to be pointed in the right driection. I can get the details. I mean... Is  Zapatero the right guy or...

Thanks,   Killmon :blink:  

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2005, 09:39:36 PM »
Well, going to Zapatero's house shouldn't be necessary.  To prove you are married you'll need the \"libro de familia,\"  but I think that if you're married in the US you need to get the \"libro de familia\" from the Spanish consulate/ embassy in the US.  So you'd need to do this before coming back to Spain.  (If you get married in Spain you can get it here a few days or weeks after the wedding).  Once you have the \"libro de familia\" you'll have to take it with your passport, some photos, and your wife's DNI to the police station.  If you're in Madrid it's at C/ General Pardiñas 90.  You'll also need to get an application form there for your tarjeta comunitaria.  Then you wait until your residence card is ready (will probably take at least 3 months in Madrid)--keep in mind that you won't be able to work until you have the card.  Also, you should go talk to the people at the police station first before you get married just to make sure you don't need a visa.  

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2005, 11:15:09 PM »
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-go to Zapatero's house
:lol:  :lol: Killmon... That's funny.  ;)

I just wanted to chime in and give a big 'Amen Sister!' to Megan as that's exactly what my wife and I did. We actually had two ceremonies; the first taking place in the US and the second in España. (Though that wasn't necessary... We just wanted to get more presents! B))  The first ceremony we had in the US though, convalidated stateside by the consulate that our geographic region pertained to (Chicago) was perfectly acceptable to file for the Libro de Familia, which we filed for and received several years later , again from the consulate before actually moving to Spain. I needed this to get my Visa that permitted me to come over legally and subsequently file for residency. (aka- the N.I.E.)

In other words, keep all of your paperwork from the consulate handy because you'll need it when you file for your residency!

Best of luck and we'll be looking for wedding pics, eh! (You could even honeymoon in Mula, you know!  :P  ;) )

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2005, 11:35:06 PM »
Thanks for the replies!! I might go to Z's casa anyway... just for giggles. :D


The only thing I see as a possible problemo is that if I need a visa I have to do it in the states and If we are married in the states I still have to go to the Spanish consulat for the \"thing o de familia\"? So, I get married then show the spanish consulate?.. ..in the states that we are married? I need to read this thread again... joder!! why people make things so difcil I don't know...  :ph34r: I'm a ninjico ( spanish ninja...kinda small)

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2005, 07:29:52 PM »
Hi Killmon --

Not sure which state you are from or which state you are getting married in, but the Spanish Consulate of NYC has pretty complete information on their website.

Once you get married in the states, you should take all required documents (listed on the website) to your nearest Spanish embassy or consulate and they should be able to process everything for you in about a week or so, including your libro de familia.

Give them a call and let us know how it goes! These things have a tendency of changing over the years with new administrations.
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2005, 04:42:52 PM »
Where would I be able to find information about whether or not the law has changed about needing the Visa or not? Also, we are cutting it close becasue we arrive in FL on the evening of the 21,
apply for the marriage licenceon tuesday the 22,
We have to wait 3 days before we can get married,
Marry on Friday,
wait till monday to go to miamiand file for libro de familla,
and fly out on the same day, the 28th....

not gonna work..  

So, Besides having to solve the time line in Florida I deffinatly need to know FOR SURE if I have to have a Visa. And, The only way to do that is to know what the law actually states and where it states it...

Any help would be appreciated, Killmon

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2006, 02:13:01 PM »
Ok, Lets see if I can write this in a short version. Forgive me if spaces don't show up in my typing, my space bar is on strike.

I just got married in November. We got married in Florida. In Spain you have to post your announcement for 21 days before you get married and there is a LONG wait to have a civil Marriage performed....even in cities of only 300,000 (min 3months). I am not sure where you have to post your intentions (I think the church or town center). We did not want to wait, so we choose the U.S.

Religious weddings are much more time consuming because you have to get letters from your churches and stuff.

YOU DO NOT NEED A VISA!!!!! In May of last year the law was changed!

YOU CAN NOT GET A VISA FOR IT! The Spanish Consulate WILL NOT ISSUE THAT TYPE OF VISA FOR THAT PURPOSE! So, if someone in an office in Spain says that you do.... they did not get the memo. DON\"T FLY BACK TO THE STATES TO ASK FOR IT THEY WILL NOT ISSUE IT!!!


That being said it is really easy now:

-Get married in US, Get original (2nd copy of marriage cert from county clerk)

-Have it translated (the translator will stamp the translation). In fact, just have anything that is in English translated (except passport) and make 5 copies; Birth Cert and marriage cert.


You will need:

•   6 passport sized Fotos (The Spanish national does not need them)
•   Three copies of passport (in full) (both of you)
•   2nd copy of marriage certificate from county clerk in the states (translated)
•   3 copies of birth cert (both of you) (3 copies of English one and translated)
•   2 copies of the form that shows that you have an address in Span. It was a form that my wife’s parents filed out stating that we lived there (not true, but a formality). I think if you have a house or apartment you may need a copy of rental agreement.

Really, just make 5 to 6 copies of everything.

You will first go to the office that gives you the form to prove you both live in Spain. (I believe this is the same office you would go to too have a civil marriage performed).
You will need it when you then go the office to register you marriage in Spain
You will need it when you then go the office to register you marriage in Spain. You will then take everything to the office where all foreigners apply for their NIE (take your partner otherwise you will have to wait in the line that never moves…with a Spanish national you can walk right in). They will need three months to make the card … MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A STAMPED COPY OF THE FORM THAT HAS YOUR N.I.E NUMBER AT THE TOP WHEN YOU LEAVE!!!!!!! It will look like this X-1234567-X.

You will need a copy of it as well as a copy of your passport and a copy of the form that says you registered your marriage.

If you don’t make copies of everything… you WILL have to wait 3 to six month for your Libro De Familla and N.I.E card to show up… DO NOT WALK OUT OF THE OFFICE UNTILL YOU HAVE THE STAMPED FORM WITH THE NUMBER ON IT!!!!!

BECAUSE…

Unfortunately, I did run into passive Prejudice, people in the office purposefully tried to prevent me from getting what I needed or to make us wait longer. The most blatant was stamping the form without putting the number at the top. There was no attempt to hide the purposefulness, and she expressed clear unhappiness that we noticed. Basically expressing in Spanish that she did not want me to notice… So, it is about the number, with out it you can’t work and they know it (not typical of Spanish people, but understandable considering the political climate of the world). Most people are extremely helpful! Just be careful because it is very important.

You need those forms to prove your libro is being made (that your are marriage is registered) and that you have a N.I.E to register as a N.I.F at the Hacienda (which is the same as your N.I.E just registered in the oficinas de la Seguridad Social) to get all the paper work for employers to use to give you a Jobby Jobor, to register as  Autonomo and use on your invoices, or start a company!!!

 
MAKE COYPIES OF EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!! KEEP THE ORIGINALS IF POSSIBLE!!!!!

We did all this in a week and 2 days. And, that is with going to some of the offices 4 times; some we did not need to go to! Even they aren’t sure what other offices are involved or need. So, they will tell you that all you need is one copy of something, but not know the other offices want a copies too… We ended up going to make copies 4 times which caused us to do the process 4 times!!

You literally could do it in 2 or 3 days if you have all the right copies and know where to go.

If anybody knows the Spanish names for all the offices I will rewrite this with them included. My wife is in Berlin right now and I don’t remember all the names.

If you have any Questions, please, just email. I would love to help make the process easier for ya!

Does anyone have a picture of how to write an Autonomo invoice?

-Thanks, Killmon




 


 

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2006, 02:14:05 PM »
Ok, Lets see if I can write this in a short version. Forgive me if spaces don't show up in my typing, my space bar is on strike.

I just got married in November. We got married in Florida. In Spain you have to post your announcement for 21 days before you get married and there is a LONG wait to have a civil Marriage performed....even in cities of only 300,000 (min 3months). I am not sure where you have to post your intentions (I think the church or town center). We did not want to wait, so we choose the U.S.

Religious weddings are much more time consuming because you have to get letters from your churches and stuff.

YOU DO NOT NEED A VISA!!!!! In May of last year the law was changed!

YOU CAN NOT GET A VISA FOR IT! The Spanish Consulate WILL NOT ISSUE THAT TYPE OF VISA FOR THAT PURPOSE! So, if someone in an office in Spain says that you do.... they did not get the memo. DON\"T FLY BACK TO THE STATES TO ASK FOR IT THEY WILL NOT ISSUE IT!!!


That being said it is really easy now:

-Get married in US, Get original (2nd copy of marriage cert from county clerk)

-Have it translated (the translator will stamp the translation). In fact, just have anything that is in English translated (except passport) and make 5 copies; Birth Cert and marriage cert.


You will need:

•   6 passport sized Fotos (The Spanish national does not need them)
•   Three copies of passport (in full) (both of you)
•   2nd copy of marriage certificate from county clerk in the states (translated)
•   3 copies of birth cert (both of you) (3 copies of English one and translated)
•   2 copies of the form that shows that you have an address in Span. It was a form that my wife’s parents filed out stating that we lived there (not true, but a formality). I think if you have a house or apartment you may need a copy of rental agreement.

Really, just make 5 to 6 copies of everything.

You will first go to the office that gives you the form to prove you both live in Spain. (I believe this is the same office you would go to too have a civil marriage performed).
You will need it when you then go the office to register you marriage in Spain
You will need it when you then go the office to register you marriage in Spain. You will then take everything to the office where all foreigners apply for their NIE (take your partner otherwise you will have to wait in the line that never moves…with a Spanish national you can walk right in). They will need three months to make the card … MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A STAMPED COPY OF THE FORM THAT HAS YOUR N.I.E NUMBER AT THE TOP WHEN YOU LEAVE!!!!!!! It will look like this X-1234567-X.

You will need a copy of it as well as a copy of your passport and a copy of the form that says you registered your marriage.

If you don’t make copies of everything… you WILL have to wait 3 to six month for your Libro De Familla and N.I.E card to show up… DO NOT WALK OUT OF THE OFFICE UNTILL YOU HAVE THE STAMPED FORM WITH THE NUMBER ON IT!!!!!

BECAUSE…

Unfortunately, I did run into passive Prejudice, people in the office purposefully tried to prevent me from getting what I needed or to make us wait longer. The most blatant was stamping the form without putting the number at the top. There was no attempt to hide the purposefulness, and she expressed clear unhappiness that we noticed. Basically expressing in Spanish that she did not want me to notice… So, it is about the number, with out it you can’t work and they know it (not typical of Spanish people, but understandable considering the political climate of the world). Most people are extremely helpful! Just be careful because it is very important.

You need those forms to prove your libro is being made (that your are marriage is registered) and that you have a N.I.E to register as a N.I.F at the Hacienda (which is the same as your N.I.E just registered in the oficinas de la Seguridad Social) to get all the paper work for employers to use to give you a Jobby Jobor, to register as  Autonomo and use on your invoices, or start a company!!!

 
MAKE COYPIES OF EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!! KEEP THE ORIGINALS IF POSSIBLE!!!!!

We did all this in a week and 2 days. And, that is with going to some of the offices 4 times; some we did not need to go to! Even they aren’t sure what other offices are involved or need. So, they will tell you that all you need is one copy of something, but not know the other offices want a copies too… We ended up going to make copies 4 times which caused us to do the process 4 times!!

You literally could do it in 2 or 3 days if you have all the right copies and know where to go.

If anybody knows the Spanish names for all the offices I will rewrite this with them included. My wife is in Berlin right now and I don’t remember all the names.

If you have any Questions, please, just email. I would love to help make the process easier for ya!

Does anyone have a picture of how to write an Autonomo invoice?

-Thanks, Killmon