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« on: July 14, 2005, 06:23:19 PM »
Hola Gente!

Since there is always the inevitable question \"How much money is enough?\"  I thought I'd do a sample budget.  The budget includes the average rent for a room in Barcelona (from 26 ads in Metropolitan Barcelona Magazine), groceries, transportation (I chose the 30 day unlimited travel card for the metro - there are up to six different zones that can be covered, the price goes up accordingly), entertainment (I decided on 30 euros per week - this may be an amount that is far more or far less depending on you, movies, bars, tapas, alcohol, etc...), utilities (I guestimated 25 euros for a room for one person - if this is too low or high from those currently living in BCN let me know), sundries (i.e. shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, deoderant, etc.), medical insurance ( I took a quote from Metropolitan's web site) and I thought I'd share to give you some perspective....




The different amounts coincide with the metro pass having different prices for the inclusion of each of the six zones.  Now take the estimate and multiply it by how many ever months-worth of money you'd like to have in savings.  I should note that the amount I spend on groceries here in the states is usually in the neighborhood of $100/wk.  (I buy lots of fresh veg and protein chicken, pork, etc... so I just converted it to euros....this amount may be far less or more depending on you).  

Anyway, I thought it would be useful for people to get a general sense of how much it costs to live.  I hope this is helpful.

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005, 08:48:03 PM »
That's pretty good! The housing ads in Metropolitan and Barcelona connect tend to be just a little on the high side, since those publications are aimed at \"guiris.\" Slightly cheaper housing, that is livable, can be found.

Regarding groceries, according to a recent study conducted in Spain, municipal markets (mercados) and hipermarkets offer some of the best deals for food and staples. The report stated that shopping in mercados for fresh items and hypermarkets for other things would be most economical.

Barcelona, like other Spanish cities, has a city-wide system of municipal markets, where wide selections of seafood, meat, fowl, vegetables, etc. can be found.  The web site of the city has a list of these at  Barcelona Municipal Markets.

Al Campo and Carrefour are hipermarkets that offer good bargains. There is one Al Campo in the city near the Forum metro station and two Carrefours, one near the Glories metro station and one near the Cerda ferrocarril station.

Mercadona, Dia and Lidl are supermarket chains that have good prices. Mercadona is a general supermarket. Dia and Lidl are more for generic and, for some items, bulk shopping – not pretty places but practical. Bring your own bags to Dia and Lidl, otherwise you'll have to pay a few cents per bag.

Regarding movies, just about ever cinema has a spectators night when prices are reduced. Movies at the Filmoteca are always cheap and showcase classics and independent films in the original language, most often with Spanish subtitles sometimes Catalan. Generally other cinemas will have movies dubbed into Spanish, rarely Catalan, unless it is a VO, or Versión Original, cinema, where the movie will be in the original language with subtitles in Spanish, very rarely in Catalan.

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 04:55:45 AM »
I forgot to calculate the groceries on a monthly basis....but I corrected it.  :)

 
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 01:17:36 PM »
I think 330 euros on groceries a month could feed a family of 4 in Barcelona! I only spend about 125 euros a month on groceries AND sundries together. I am probably somewhat frugal but not excessively. I shop at Al Campo hipermarket almost exclusively. I do my shopping on a weekly basis, using a list I have written out and comparing product prices. I am too lazy to do the hipermarket / municipal market technique I described above. If I did I might be able to spend a little less on groceries. I could not survive if it cost me 950 euros a month to live here!  :o During a normal month I spend about 650 - 700 on all the categories together.

I spoke about this with a teacher friend of mine who is NOT frugal. For example, she said shops a few times a week, at whatever supermarket is convenient at the time and she does not compare product prices. She told me she spends about 200 a month on groceries. Perhaps many people are in between someone like her and me.

I also checked with an American friend of mine who has been living in Barcelona for 28 years. He said that all the locals know that there is a huge difference between prices at stores like Corte Ingles, on the upper end, and Dia, on the lower end. He also advised checking out the prices among the different municipal markets, as some have higher prices than others. For example, Boca Ria is a high end municipal market (could it be related to the fact that it is  located in a tourist zone), Ninot is a mid range market and Barceloneta is a low range market. Of course, even within a municipal market there can be slight variations in prices from one vender to another. So, shop around -- they are usually pleasant, colorful places worth walking around in anyway.

Hey, I live in Barceloneta, which according to my friend has one of the cheaper municipal markets -- maybe this will spur me to get organized and split my shopping between Al Campo and my neighborhood municipal market.  ;)

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 03:07:42 PM »
That's a relief.  Like I said I was just basing that amount on what I spend here in the States.  When I lived in Bacelona I ate what we called the Ausias Marc Special (cos we lived on Ausias Marc) which basically was the cheapest pasta and tomato sauce at Dia (loved that 65 centimo chocolate cake at Dia!)  anyhoo, I don't eat pasta anymore....it's a carb thing,  :D  and as such, it's very expensive when you eat a lot of protein monring, noon and night (chicken, beef, pork, etc...).   To give an example, The chicken breast I bought a few days ago for four halves was over $8.00.  I spent $90 on food for the week, because I didn't buy anything prepackaged, or any rice or pasta etc....(Ok, I'll admit I also bought some lo-carb frozen ice pops :P  - which are very yummy considering...).

And I actually didn't think it was going to cost me so much to live there, but I think it's better to overestimate then to underestimate.  But it is quite a relief to know that you can live on 600 to 700 euros.  I almost had a heart attack when I revised the budget  :blink:  (I was thinking \"OMG I'm never going to be able to save up that kind of money!\")

Tell me Charles, what do you spend on utilities on average monthly?  I'd also like to know what you spend on incidentals like cell phone, internet, etc.... It would be great to get some real numbers, instead of my guestimates.  And actually, if it's ok with you I'll send you the excel file and perhaps you can fiddle with my numbers to reflect a more accurate picture of the cost of living in BCN.  I really think that this will be useful to a lot of the newbies who are contemplating taking the leap.  (I just did a print screen of the excel spread sheet and saved it as a gif to make it an image).

Thank you so much for your input. :)

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2005, 06:15:15 PM »
I'll be glad to share details of my expenses. I am a bit of a tightwad, but I think most people could get by without too much more than I spend – especially people who share expenses with flat mates.

I've already told you what I spend on groceries and sundries.

My rent is 412.40 a month. When I rented the place two years ago it was 400. For some reason the landlord did not raise my rent until this year, which is my third year. It is a small, unfurnished one bedroom apartment. It's not a renovated apartment. It's an atico that I have to walk 6 floors up to, but it is worth the hike as I have a nice little terrace with a view of the sea. Like many good housing deals in Barcelona, I found it through friends.

When I first moved to Barcelona I rented a room in someone else’s apartment. I found that place through one of the local notice boards. I don't recall how much I paid, but it was cheap. I lived with a Spaniard, an Italian and a Dutch person. It was fun! Later I moved into a studio on Plaza del Palacio, which is near Barceloneta. I paid 390 euros for that place. That building had an elevator and the apartment was renovated and furnished – including a clothes dryer! (I’ve found that clothes dryers are a rarity in Spain.) I found that place by walking around looking for ALQUILER notices on street corners, sides of buildings, etc.

I'd have to look back at my last few electric bills, but I think it's usually around 20 - 25 a month. The bill comes every two months. Water is 13 euros a month -- no bill, I pay the landlord. I think that's rather high, but he didn't start asking me to pay anything for water until this year. So, I figured, two years without raising rent, two years without paying water, I'll go along with it.

Gas is about 6 euros a month. (I buy a little bombona -- one often one lasts me longer than a month.)

I am really tight, tight, tight with my mobile phone. I almost never make long distance calls from it. I even send text messages rather sparingly. I have my mobile phone's voice mail turned off, so people have to call me again if they miss me. (I said I was a tightwad!) I've been spending 10 to 15 euros a month on my mobile phone lately. The few times I make long distance calls, I usually do so from the Plaza Urquinaona Post Office's Locutorio, which has the best rates I've found. Since it is free to receive calls on mobiles in Spain, I encourage family and friends abroad to call me.

I spend essentially nothing on internet. I have a British Council membership for 55 euros a year and I get free internet use there. I also belong to the public library, where I can get free internet access, too. I have a laptop but do not have a fixed phone line, so I go to free hotspots in my neighborhood.

Transportation -- Since all of Barcelona, and a little bit more, is in Zone 1, I buy a Zone 1 30 day pass for €40.75 unless I am going to be out of town for a week or more. In that case, I buy a cheaper ticket. Which one I buy depends on how long I will be gone. For example, a 50 / 30 ticket for €26.25, which allows for 50 trips in a 30 day period, usually works for me any month I am going to be out of town for a week. (If anyone teaches classes outside of Zone 1, they should negotiate with their academy for extra pay or assistance with paying for transportation.)

I use the Spanish social healthcare system, so I do not pay for medical insurance. (Well, I do, but it’s via taxes.) My first year here I was sin papeles, so I paid for private health insurance through a company called FIATC. I paid about 40 euros a month for that. It was excellent. It worked like PPOs do back in the States -- a list of providers to choose from. There were no co-payments.

Regarding other expenses and saving money, here are some things I do:

I buy clothes, shoes, and major things during rebaja time -- January/ February and July/August.

When I go to the beach, I try to bring my own little ice chest with refreshments and snacks.

I prepare most meals at home -- a light breakfast like the Spaniards (except for Sunday, when I usually cook up a big American breakfast :)); I bring my own lunch to work everyday, except for Friday when I treat myself to a cheap menu del dia someplace; dinners in. Often on Saturday and Sunday I do eat either lunch or dinner out. So, usually that's a total of eating out in restaurants three times a week. In addition, once or twice a week I may either have someone over for a meal at my place or enjoy a meal at a friends.

I go to movies once or twice a month -- almost always on the reduced price night. My friends and I bring our own drinks and snacks in back packs or purses. I see lots of others doing this!

I check out books, DVDs, videos and CDs from the British Council and the BCN public library, both of which have great collections.

As far night life, I lead a pretty sedate life but when I do go out, I avoid going to expensive places, places with cover charges, etc. House parties can be just as fun and a lot cheaper!

That's probably more than anyone wants to know about my particular habits, but I hope it helps a bit.  :wub:
 

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005, 06:28:22 PM »
P.S. Michelle, feel free to email me the spread sheet. Chao,

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 07:39:48 PM »
No, it's good.  It's really good to get a first hand account of expenses.  You do live quite the simple live though, eh?  But you know what...(and I know that this is slightly off-topic but...) I want to lead \"the simple life\" too (and no Paris Hilton does not offer any type of picture of what that is for me ;) ).  

The spread sheet is forthcoming.  Thanks again for the great info! much gratitude  :wub:

Salud! :beer:
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005, 07:59:49 PM »
Yes, give me the simple life -- in Spain, at least! Chao, Charles

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2005, 02:09:03 AM »
What a great exchange of information. It's sure to help many...!  :wub: You guys rock... thanks!! B)

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2005, 12:15:39 PM »
Between the two of us (four if you include the cats), we spend less than €2000 a month, and that includes broadband and utilties etc, going out etc. We have one-bed flat in Madrid with terrace and pool. Only trouble with some of these figures is: if you don't have any friends in your chosen city yet (and not many newbies do), then you can't use them to find out the cheaper places to live and so are left with the slightly more expensive places to rent (also, how you gonna find friends unless you socialise?); the same goes with finding the cheaper places to shop - you have to find them so your first couple of months can cost more until you do. Plus when you get hit by unexpected \"altos\" (upfront charges for utilities etc - eg 110 euros for fixed phone line) they really hurt your budget. Our first few months were a lot more expensive than we thought they would be and we were both glad we'd money in hand to help us out.  

My word of warning is that Spain is getting a lot more expensive than even four years ago, when we first visited. When you first move across, you don't now anything - even if you do your research like we did - and so you can get hit. Don't take the cheapest figure you find and think: \"Well that's ok then; I can manage\". Look for an average (bearing in mind an average is highest and lowest) and try to have an emergency fund.

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2005, 01:01:11 PM »
PS Don't mean to sound like such a wet-blanket!

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2005, 09:12:05 PM »
Michelle and Charles thanks for posting that information. I am sure that many people will find it helpful.

Another thing that folks should keep in mind is a mobile phone and internet café/photocopy costs...especially English teachers.

I have a prepay mobile phone which I generally charge with about 25-30€ a month. (Charles, I am amazed with your frugality regarding the mobile phone!) However, I also have a landline phone which makes my dependency on the mobile less. Those who only have a mobile phone will most likely be spending more. Beware that mobile phone calls are very expensive here. While you aren't charged to receive calls (which is typical in the States), calls from a prepay are very expensive. If you sign a contract you can get better rates, but if you aren't here legally, you won't be able to get a contract. Best way to keep you costs low is to use the SMS feature.

If you are living in a house without internet connection, you will find yourself spending time at your local \"locutorio\" (internet café) which range in prices. If you have a laptop (I highly recommend coming to Spain with one if you are planning on teaching English), your best bet is to scout your neighborhood for free local hotspots. They could be either near large businesses with wireless internet connection, or your neighbor who has one.

Working as a freelance English teacher, you may find yourself having to make copies for your classes, either in-company or private students you may have. Best to avoid the large chains such as Work Center and try to find a neighborhood copy shop (not just any old place which has a photocopy machine and will make copies for you).

Regarding groceries, my husband and I do weekly shopping and spend about 25-30€ per week. We aren't super frugal ... we like to treat ourselves to seafood and a good cut of steak from time to time. Like Michelle, we buy all our food fresh. Very rarely do we buy anything \"pre-cocinado\" (already prepared frozen foods).. except frozen veggies. We split our shopping between the local grocery stores (either Mercadona, Super Sol .. a bit more expensive, Día ... super cheap, and Alcosto) as well as the local market which usually has good prices for the fresh meat.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2005, 02:28:13 PM »
Was doing some research and came across this little gizmo which supposedly helps you work out cost of living where you want to be. Could be some help:
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2005, 08:37:24 PM »
Hello,
I am new to this site and to posting messages so please bear with me. Thank you for posting so much good information! Very helpfull!!!

I may move my family of 5 to Spain for a couple years. i have traveled to Barcelona several times and i think we will love it. I do have a couple questions and would really appreciate any advice or comments.

I could not get the cost of living calculator to work for what i want. Could anyone please tell me what the cost of living per month or year might be in the outskirts of barcelona?
I would imagine we would eat out at least twice (okay maybe three or four...) times a week and of course would try to take in all the sights. We would not be into the night life.

What is the hardest part for the kids moving from U.S. to Barcelona? They are all 13 and under...

As we get closer and make the final decision i would sure love to hear from anyone who has experianced this..


Thank you!

Bruce

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2005, 06:07:47 AM »
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Dear Bruce:

Welcome to our Spain loving, English teaching community!  B) We're glad to have you...

Have you read the posts by Michelle and Charles at the beginning of this thread? I believe they should give you a good idea of how much BCN living expenses are, answer your questions and give you some additional useful info to boot...

Best of luck. Please let us know how it goes.

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2005, 10:40:48 PM »
Wow!  The responses have been great!  Just to let everyone know, Charles and I have also been discussing adding a column for one-time expenses....you know, for things that you need to set up house, but that you wouldn't necessarily bring over.  These things could range from towels, to pots and pans, small appliances such as an iron or a hair blow dryer, etc....and unless you're quite fastidious in your planning....you may not take these things into consideration at first......

It would be great to get a general sense of some of the one-time initial expenses some of you have had, just to get a price range....So please feel free to post some items with prices.  

And a special thanks to Charles for sharing his experience and budget!  :D

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2005, 02:14:53 PM »
Hi Michelle and Charles,

I've just discovered this thread and have found it so useful!  I have to say that I'm full of admiration for Charles 's self discipline! Only wish I had some, LOL !      :wub:

When I was in Bcn. last year, I found those glorious ice cream parlours so addictive -  the 'crema catalunya' flavour is to die for..!)   How on earth do you resist the glorious bookshops and the incredible restaurants?  I was fortunate I didn't have an endless budget or I'd have been too huge to get on the plane home!

 As it was, I had to pay £100 excess, after haggling that down from nearer £200 to Easyjet for all my new books and C.D.s!   :angry:

The clothes were also amazing, in the end of Summer sales, but as I'm about six feet tall, I couldn't buy any women's clothes or shoes there, anyway -just as well, but deeply frustrating ...!   :(

Any chance of others here  adding their own budgets for different Spanish locations, using your model chart, so we could compare various cities as well as the differences between rural , surburban and urban costs, for example?
These could then be kept on file and updated, as required.   :book:

Thanks again, both of you -I really appreciated the work involved!   :beer:

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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2005, 06:42:42 PM »
Some people would call me \"tacaño\" as opposed to self-disciplined.  ;) Re: books, CDs, etc:

Second had books are available very cheaply at places like Elephant English Books. However, although I read a lot, I rarely buy a book. Why should I when I can check-out English language books from the Barcelona Public Library or, since I am a member, from the British Council Library.

(Right now I'm reading Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell http://www.jonathanstrange.com. Just before that I read This Thing of Darkness http://www.echonews.com/1138/book_reviews.html -- both excellent reading!)

I never have to rent DVDs and videos because I get those for free from the Barcelona City Library http://www.bcn.es/icub/biblioteques/index_es.html and the British Council Library http://www.britishcouncil.org/spain-inform...e-barcelona.htm. I also check-out CDs and copy them. These libraries have the latest movies and music, as well as \"classics.\"

All branches of the city's libraries have computers available with internet access -- for free. You have to sign-up for time and each branch has limits to the amount of time you can spend on computers. However, if you have a lap-top you can plug it in at the library anytime to access the internet via wireless. The British Council Library has a large number of computers with  internet access, which are free to use as long as available. I have never seen anyone having to wait to use a computer at the British Council.

Barcelona City Library membership is free, with a DNI or passport and proof of address, such as a piece of official mail, e.g., a bank statement. The Barcelona British Council charges 58 euros for annual library memebrship.

Speaking of EasyJet, I am going to London for Christmas and the round trip ticket cost only 60 euros! How will I afford staying in London? I will be staying with friends I have made since teaching abroad. (Hey, they get to visit me in Barcelona every now and then.) I prefer EasyJet to Ryan Air because flights leave from Barcelona's airport as opposed to Girona's or Reus', thus saving time and not requiring the extra money for a bus ticket.

With the money I save by being self-disciplined, Spartan, tacaño or whatever, every now and then I can splurge on things like  Farggi Tub's & Ice Cream parlor  http://americanairlines.wcities.com/en/rec.../18/record.html

Give me the simple life -- in Barcelona!
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2008, 04:11:20 PM »
Some very helpful posts on this thread - thanks everyone!  :D

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2008, 04:50:18 PM »
Hello freddyb45,

Glad to know you find the posts helpful! I just wanted to point out that the last update to this thread before your post was in 2005 so the financial information is quite a bit dated and perhaps doesn't really apply anymore.

If anyone would like to add their perceptions on the cost of living in Spain these days, jump right on in!

Saludos,
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2009, 06:28:24 PM »
HI, i was re-reading these very helpful messages from four years ago and wondering how much costs have changed for those of you living in the bigger cities? I´m now in Cadiz, which has been described to me as one of the cheapest in Spain - so I´m now checking living costs for real  - Certainly, here in the old city centre we have a great undercover market, but there are also many small shops selling fruit and vegetables - I bought a bagful of these yesterday and was given several free samples to try - the strawberries from Conil, further down the coast were incredibly delish!!

Also, I wanted to suggest that any new arrivals to any city here in Spain should consider doing the same as myself - first, book into a cheap hostal (A ´hostal´ room is individual, often with a private bathroom, so different from a ´hostel´ which would probably offer dorm. type accommodation) for a few days, whilst choosing exactly where you want to be based - that way, you don´t have to commit to paying a big deposit on an apartment before you know that you´ve got work or even like the particular area best.
 This option enables you to find the latest copy of the local ánuncios´or adverts. paper and to check out rooms for rent in shared pisos(apartments), also discovered by strolling round the neighbourhood concerned and locating the notices pinned to walls  and lamp-posts.

´Cambalache´is the name of the weekly Cadiz version of these papers and is sold at 2.20 E.s in many shops. There´s a Seville version with the same title and both are available on the Net so members here could check out prices for many things, including rooms to rent!  In other cities and smaller towns I´ve found such papers free of charge, but they´re well worth buying, if necessary and also using to advertise your own English classes, along with sites such as ´LoQuo´and ´Mundioanuncios´.

 I decided to spend the period from now till October, when I  expect to have a job contract, renting a room and was lucky enough to find a really nice apartment in the centre of the old city centre with one such room available . I pay only 250 euros per month with free internet access in my room which is equipped as a large study -bedroom, and I pay no further costs for water, electricity or community charge - all of these are paid by the owner who is not resident but always available in case of need.
 I have shared use of the large kitchen, internal terrace and two bathrooms, along with the only other person currently also staying here. It really has helped lower my costs whilst looking for work and acquainting myself with Cadiz and surrounding towns, prior to having a decent income!
 A bonus is that I´ve had so much helpful advice and info. on living here from both the landlord and my new flatmate, plus I get to listen, free of charge to our upstairs neighbour´s flamenco CD´s, which he plays most afternoons (fortunately, I´m not indoors much at that time - I do love the music, but not every day during Siesta)! LOL

Anyway, the lovely warm weather means my costs would be much lower, were I in a piso of my own at this time of year than when I was living in Asturias! That province probably has the warmest, most hospitable people in Spain, but it´s very expensive to keep warm inside your home in the colder months - something for prospective English teachers to consider, especially as the pay for such work is so little! Here, now that it´s Spring, we do use little electric heaters in our rooms just for an hour before bed, but that´s all that´s needed - lall day long our windows are wide open Last night we did have rain all night, but today, as for the last three days, it´s incredibly hot tho. with a nice fresh breeze. The beach is very popular, already!

I hope this is helpful to other teachers here - b.t.w. it´s also much cheaper for café- con- leche here than in London, where I recently visited my family - about 1.10 - 1.50 euros, even in the main plazas, with free sunshine - at home it was approx. 2.50 - 3 pounds for the same drink, but definitely without the sun! (Incredibly, and very sadly for me, the pound and the euro are of almost equal value now -when I moved to Spain, in 2006, I got 1.50 E.s to the pound, which backs my point that my government should make the switch and use the same currency as all other Europeans!!

Abrazos,
Cadiz chica